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um....yeah.....you guys think TRUE 500 hp sbc are rare??????
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lun40119
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:
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i dunno. i have to go with Dave on the whole torque thing. ive noticed that the guys with high reving small engines seem to spend more time fixing sh!t than driving the car. although, the torque monsters will definitely shred some drivetrain parts.



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Friggen 455 olds!!!
When it gets cooler the Willys is back.


Adam, you crack me up...........the olds guys always talk about tq cause they cant get the boat anchors north of 4500 without them tripping on themselves. They make for great popcorn though Twisted Evil

Edit: One last thought, where do you guys gear your cars to run.......cross at peak tq, or peak HP??????????

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to go with BigDave on this one too... I have a buddy with a 05 ? Silverado and runs mid 11's with some bolt-ons... thats a 7000 lb. or so truck.... Tq is what moves it .
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ciao from Italy!
Please. HP is a function of torque/second. Since they are directly related can't we just say both are needed to get the car down the track or to speed in a hurry.
Got a new sandblast cabinet to clean up the Firewall parts. Hope the torque of my compressor is enough....
Paul

There is over 500 HP under my hood so what is this about again??????

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does that truck cross the traps at????????? Tq is great, don't get me wrong, but maintaining it after 5252 is more important. How many horse is 450ft lb at 4000rpm, but how many horse is 450ftlb at 8000rpm? Obviously they both go hand in hand but maintaining it is the key. Catch my drift?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is Horsepower that gets the work done. What is the point you are trying to make?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My post was directed towards the guy commenting about the truck. Tq is great, but it doesn't win the race. That is my point. Tq is NOT king.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah........... well i got over 500 ft lbs of torque and....... my car will........... um............ what were we talking about again ?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out the torque readings from this little 3.0 at light boost loads.
http://flashgamesite.com/live2/video_bO59sKoz1Og.html

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7 7 second 1/4s back to back. One year no failures without taking the pan off or changing plugs. And no drama reliable 8 second street driven until they shot for 7s. RB30 stock bottom end.
He could pull straight up wheelies and blow the tires off at 170+ mph until they dialed in the chassis. We have our share of driven to the track 10 second 4 cyls.
Little engines do produce torque with a ton of boost.
If you got it, who cares how you get it?
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At the wheel dyno its 4 digits.


I'm dedicated to V8s and big torque, but their are plenty of amazingly stout little engines that will produce big numbers.
My biggest complaint is they just sound wrong.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lun40119 wrote:
af2 wrote:
10sec.et wrote:
i dunno. i have to go with Dave on the whole torque thing. ive noticed that the guys with high reving small engines seem to spend more time fixing sh!t than driving the car. although, the torque monsters will definitely shred some drivetrain parts.



Biatch! Laughing Laughing
Friggen 455 olds!!!
When it gets cooler the Willys is back.


Adam, you crack me up...........the olds guys always talk about tq cause they cant get the boat anchors north of 4500 without them tripping on themselves. They make for great popcorn though Twisted Evil

Edit: One last thought, where do you guys gear your cars to run.......cross at peak tq, or peak HP??????????







ill take that olds 455 to the car show with the wife and 3 kids (if i had 3 kids) and still pass anything on the road

but in a drag car id take the higher h.p. as long as torque is high enough (no civic motors if you catch my drift)and gear it acordingly!!!!

i always say (in general terms)
if peak h.p is higher take it to the track
if peak torque is higher keep it in the daily driver

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its an 1/8 mile track, ill take torque over HP any day. if our cars are close, and i cut a good light, youre going to watch my taillights pass you by before you can get out of the gate. better hope that HP kicks in soon, youre runnin out of track Twisted Evil .
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just kidding with you on the Olds thing Keith.

I have to use gears and RPM to make it. Man I can't wait for the weather to cool! Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if its an 1/8 mile track, ill take torque over HP any day.

That's what a torque converter is for Very Happy . Enough stall and you can get it going (within reason of course). A good horsepower curve just means you have maintained torque over a longer period of time. Maintain torque longer and you'll win everytime - of course this means making more horsepower.....so......what were we talking about again.......Clay

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clay torqued me on that one!! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:
Just kidding with you on the Olds thing Keith.



oh, i know. hell, i thought we were ALL just kidding. i dont take any of this stuff too serious. it stops being fun when you do.

oh, one more thing, you jackasses with the high reving small blocks............... id appreciate it if you would quit driving around me on the big end Embarassed .

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I read this forum. Laughing

Lots of good info and a sense of humor to boot. It just doesn't get any better than that.
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