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squeeezer
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: manual steer Reply with quote

im thinking of putting in a manual box in place of my leaky power steering box (pump/lines leak)

and shave some weight....lord knows my car needs to be on a diet

im always diconecting the belt at the track too=save some time
and i have the skinnies up front=easy to steer

any way its for the 84 trans am
i can get a reman gear from a 1982-87 s10 for $130 from my napa rep
i hear and read alot about this being a direct swap for my existing p.s. box
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rag joint is different. you will need one to fit the S10 gearbox. the shaft is smaller than the PS gearbox. otherwise it should just bolt right in.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the difference would be a 30 spline and a 36 spline rag joint?????
the 36 spline being bigger??

to be honest never messed with any "custom" steering before

i thought it would be direct replacement Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its almost direct replacement. the bolts line up, steering shaft will be the correct length, and the pitman arm will fit. only issue is a rag joint which i bought here... http://stores.ebay.com/Lares-Corporation. the one i bought is "70 & NEWER SAG.MS, 77 & NEWER POWER COUPLER 682094002001". cost was $35 plus shipping.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like i will need the same coupler as you
now it looks like they call it the #200 coupler

and they are kinda local to me Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

got the manual gear in today all is good in the world.....but


man that box flexes that portion of the frame Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeeezer wrote:
got the manual gear in today all is good in the world.....but


man that box flexes that portion of the frame Twisted Evil


Honest to god what did you expect? You never saw what the stock box did! Confused You would be amazed.
You need to reinforce that frame period! Boy I can be an ass! Laughing Laughing BUT true.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeeezer wrote:
got the manual gear in today all is good in the world.....but


man that box flexes that portion of the frame Twisted Evil


There is also a manual pitman arm that is 5-3/4 inch long instead of the 5.2" you have now. The difference in length gives more leverage and less work on your part. But like af2 said the forces applied to the frame rail are constant and yes the frame will flex. You can buy a steering gear reinforcement plate from most of the 4x4 mail order shops because it is a known failure source to them (think about the forces those big tires generate turning against the same P/S box you have now).

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i had my 85 Camaro, i welded a piece of 10ga plate on the outside of the "frame" and re-drilled the holes. it takes some fabrication to fit the plate but it will help a lot.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did expect the flex to some degree
i just thought with the pizza cutters up front it wouldn't be as bad

im putting the car on a diet and every time i remove something i have to reinforce something else Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeeezer wrote:
i did expect the flex to some degree
i just thought with the pizza cutters up front it wouldn't be as bad

im putting the car on a diet and every time i remove something i have to reinforce something else Twisted Evil


I know what you mean! Bean there with my 72 Nova. I didn't have the $'s 20+ years ago to make it bad ass.?? It could have been.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohhh and thats "been" Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeeezer wrote:
ohhh and thats "been" Laughing Laughing Laughing

maybe he meant Mr Bean Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late on this post too, but did you remove the factory steering gear reinforcement plate from the frame? It's triangular with a open hole in the middle? All third gen F-bodies have flex problems, look on e-bay or in junk yards for a "wonder bar", it ties the frame rails together where the sway bar mounts. If you are still running a front sway bar(not necessary on a tgfb unless you are road racing it) what did you do to clear the manual box and the sway bar mount? Wasn't a problem for me because my sway bar is long gone, just curious.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no sway bar
that triangular piece you refer to was lightly clearanced to fit
still lots of flex

i havent been out to drive it .....snow
i probably will not notice the difference

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